John Shares How His Team Sold 255 Units for $76MM in 2017

Steve Trang: Everybody. Thank you for joining us for today's episode of the Real Estate Disruptors. Today, we've got John Glush with the Glush Group. Yes. And he's here to share how his team sold over or sold 261 properties last year for over 76,000,000 in sales volume.

John Glush: Yeah.

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John: Yes. No holds barred. You can get No

Steve: holds barred. Right?

John: Weird with those questions. We're gonna go

Steve: with a really, really tough

John: first question. Right? It's all it's good. Let's keep it interesting.

Steve: Alright. So what got you into real estate?

John: It was like many people fell into it. But I was I went to ASU, graduated in 2003.

Steve: Okay.

John: And so I don't have an excuse, like, that there was a bad economy or anything. It was a great economy, but I couldn't get a job. And I did, like, really well in school and had a finance degree and all this stuff, and I just couldn't get a job. Like, got to the point where I was, like, trying to get, like, hourly jobs at banks and, like, could not get a job. And, there was one in particular.

I really wanted a corporate finance job, and it fell through. And I was like, man, like, this is a bummer. And a buddy of mine who I was involved with Young Life for many, many years, still am, and Young Life's a, youth ministry organization. It's awesome. And my former boss at Young Life had started a company flipping houses, but also, at that time, he was teaching people how to flip houses.

Steve: And it

John: was all local, and it was a great, great company. It was a start up. And he said, hey. Would you help me? And, basically, I became his, assistant, like, his secretary.

And for, like, you know, $10 an hour, just started helping him out. And the idea was I felt like, hey. I could learn something from him. He's a great man, super smart. And I was like, okay.

What can I learn about real estate and and, you know, how to have a career? And so I started that way. And, eventually, the company got bigger, and I became part owner of the company.

Steve: Oh, that's cool.

John: And we grew it and grew it and grew it from there. And, you know, all kind of stuff has happened since then, but that was the original. That's awesome.

Steve: Well, that's pretty cool, though, that you went in there. Like, $10 an hour wasn't beneath you. Yeah. It was an opportunity to learn. I think that's something that's mindset that some people have a hard time Totally.

John: Grasping. Since then, you know, your your thirties are are about, learning, not earning. You know? And I think that's really true. I didn't have that clarity at that time.

But looking back, it absolutely was. And he was a great guy to learn from, and he was smart, and he would had bought into a franchise that was at the local, you know, teach people how to flip houses. And at that time, I mean, we had unbelievable timing. Right? Like, everything was perfect.

We just nailed it. You couldn't do anything wrong in real estate. And, for, you know, five years up until the bust Yeah. We just killed it. I mean, everything went really well.

We learned a lot, made a lot of mistakes about how to run a company. We're both pretty new at it. But that's how I learned real estate, got into it, and, then 2007 happened. Do you remember the maybe you remember the bad times we had?

Steve: That's when I started.

John: Dude, it was so bad. I was I remember the day I was listening to an NPR podcast called Planet Money, which I really recommend. It's great. Uh-huh. And they were like it was when the stock market fell and all this, and I was like, oh, this is the end of, like, my career.

Like, this is it. Oh, really? I just yeah. We had all I bought all these rental houses, you know, and borrowed all this money to have these rental houses, borrowed money from my family, and and it was just this whole thing. And we were it didn't matter that each month on my rentals, we were collecting less money than it cost to to pay for them.

We were, like, $4 a month negative even when the houses were fully rented. Mhmm. It didn't matter because they were worth, like, $30 more every month. You know? I

Steve: can appreciate you.

John: It was all this money until it wasn't. Right? Right. And I just remember the day driving in my car. I was single.

No kids. Any of that. I was just like, well, that's the end of this. You know? Like, I just realized, like, this has got like, this is all gonna change now.

You know? And, learned a million lessons in that process too. But, man, it was it was a wild ride, and I'm just so thankful. The guy's name is Jean, and, he was just such a great mentor and friend, and that's how I learned real estate.

Steve: Okay. So you were helping him flip at that time. So you weren't doing traditional yet?

John: No. I I didn't even have a license for the first two thirds of that time. And, yeah, we were just running classes. We'd you know, come on out to the hotel. We could do free seminar on how to, like, flip houses and all this.

And we were great. We were very selective with who we picked. It was a super ethical way to do it. I mean, everybody we brought on, almost everybody ended up flipping houses and making money money. Again, part of that was because the market was amazing.

But Yeah. Yeah. I just I think the lessons I learned then looking back really were so powerful. I think, it would have been even better if I had been approaching it with that angle. Like, hey.

This is about learning. This is about growing. But you're right. I think my initial decision to go, hey. I may not make any money doing this, but I have something to learn from this guy.

Right. I mean, that made all the difference. Like, I didn't come from an entrepreneurial family. My dad is a government employee, you know, high level government employee. And so that way we grew up was, you know, like, you work fifty years at the same job and get attention.

Extreme stability. Right? It was very stable, very and my dad provided a great life for us. So I wasn't thinking, like, let's go out and try a new company. You know?

But, Jean taught me that. You know? Like, he was he was the guy who introduced me to entrepreneurship, and I'm I'll never be, you know, the same because of it.

Steve: Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. So then from there, you went into Buffini?

John: Yeah. My first, after we lost after I lost everything, I didn't go bankrupt but close. Short sold six houses. We my friends knew I was in real estate, and there were still people buying houses. And so they said, hey.

Would you help me, you know, buy this house for my family? The tax credits came around, all that stuff. Mhmm. So I was selling, I don't know, 10 houses, 12 houses a year. Nothing crazy, but then found out about Brian Buffini and their coaching program and signed up right away.

And that was the first I'd ever been introduced to self development. Like, Zig Ziglar, Darren Hardy, Brian Buffini, you know, Jim Rohn. You go down the that was where all of that started for me, and that was, like, a huge game changer. I mean, that was, like, the fork in the road for me of, like, doing pretty good, coasting on natural gifting and and charisma. And then, like, oh, there's this whole new world open to me where I can grow and become a totally different person.

Steve: Yeah. And that

John: was a game changer.

Steve: Well, and I tell people all the time, like, the greatest gift for me in getting into real estate is that I can give my kids such a huge leg up No. From what we've learned Yeah. Through personal development that we didn't have the opportunity to learn Yeah. When we were growing up.

John: No. It's true. Like, you you get out of college and you think you're done learning, at least I did. And now it's like, oh my gosh. I it was just beginning.

I'm just a lifelong learner. I read so much, and and I'm just so thankful. You and I both love Darren Hardy and have been part of all his programs. And, Jim Rohn's another one of my favorites and strategic coach. I mean, just go down the list.

I mean, you can get weird with it. Like, you can become the junkie. You know? Like, all I do is go to self development programs. And, you can definitely waste a lot of time

Steve: and money Oh,

John: for sure. Learning but not implementing. Yeah. But, man, I cannot recommend enough. I mean, Darren's my favorite for sure.

A great place to start. But, any of any of it is great. I mean, it's just so, so valuable. So Well,

Steve: I know. I I definitely follow so I've done Buffini. Right? I was like, man, John's only got a year on me. Like, how is he so much more successful than I am?

John: So I've

Steve: done the Buffini thing. I did the Mike Ferry thing. That was the only difference. Yeah. Then joined Proctor is where I met you.

And then we've done HPF, and we've done strategic coach. So are you looking at other programs now?

John: No. I'm I'm in a season of it's a great wise epiphany I had, Steve. I have take all the credit for this. I decided it was time to not travel and do to take it easy on the coaching programs to be with my family Yeah. Which is actually my wife's idea.

So,

Steve: so smart.

John: Yes. Very smart. I'm learning to listen, and it took her two years of telling me, like, dude, you gotta stop all this coaching stuff. And I'm like, alright. Great.

So and Darren will say Darren has said that many times too. Like, so often we, like, dig a hole. Like, we're gonna dig a well. Right? And we're gonna I'm gonna learn a few things from Darren Hardy, and then we pick up and we go, okay.

Now what does Zig Ziglar have to say? And what does Jim Rohn have? And you never you leave all these untapped resources. And so, I have decided, okay. No.

No. I'm just gonna take it easy. I'm gonna really scale back, travel very little this year. Mhmm. And so, no, my main Craig Proctors, I owe them a ton of my success.

I'm still part of that program. And then I've become friends with Darren, and we I'd listen to his stuff over and over and over again. The tapes and all the all the recordings, all the programs I've bought, I've listened to dozens of times.

Steve: Oh, really?

John: And so those are kinda my two go to right now, like, Yeah. You know, the Craig Proctor stuff and Darren stuff are my top ones.

Steve: Very cool. So knowing what you know today, what will you do differently if you were starting over?

John: I mean, I was so the the three things I attribute our success to are, one, being lucky. Like, we had really good timing a a couple times. You know? Like, I I caught fire, like, in 2011 is when I started getting coaching. Mhmm.

And that was a really good time in real estate to start getting great coaching and planning because Absolutely. Everyone was buying houses and still is. So really, really great timing and a bunch of couple other great things. Second thing is really great team. Justin Benson was my first hire, and that guy is, like, a wizard.

I mean, he's unbelievably good at a million things, great work ethic, and it just started there. I mean, everybody since then has just been these fantastic people we've been really privileged to work with. So, a really, really great team and then coaching. Like, those are the three things that that's what made made me and and made us what we are today. I don't know that there's much I would do different.

I mean, I think I learned a big lesson in the boom and the bust, which is I don't buy houses anymore that don't cash flow. Like, I still buy rental real estate. We're buying Airbnbs, but we put them on 15 mortgages, and they cash flow. And, I mean, I would love to have not done that. Like, that was a really expensive lesson and, you know, cost me and my family a bunch of money.

So I think if I could do it over again, I would just like, the Dave Ramsey stuff, like, really simple.

Steve: You know,

John: I don't totally you know, I have mortgages. Right? I'm not, like, a full blown card carrying Ramsey guy, but a lot of what he says is smart. And I think he's way more right than than I was. That's for sure.

So that was a big mistake that I wish I wouldn't have made. But, thankfully, hopefully, I learned from it and have changed the way I do things now. You know?

Steve: Well, I'd I'd say for sure. I mean, it's kinda hard to make that mistake again. You already know. Right. It's like putting your hand on the stove.

You're not gonna do that again. Yeah. Okay. So we already talked about this. So, next question is, a lot of people are getting into the industry right now.

Yeah. Schools are doing really well.

John: Yes. Yes.

Steve: What would you tell them as far as finding a mentor?

John: I think you a, I wanna make a comment about that, the saturation. Yes. There are a lot of people coming into the market. And there are, there's also a lot of competition from big startups with a lot of money right now that teams like mine have to pay attention to. Like, we're tracking all these new guys.

Like, every month, we have we have, there's a one of the guys on my team is posting every single month the numbers of these how are different models growing. Like, big businesses, big teams need to be thinking about other models that are giving another try. Like, flat fee models have been around forever. Like, we'll list your house for x dollars. That's been around for decades.

Yeah. It hasn't worked and has never gained market share. That doesn't mean you can write it off and say it's never gonna work. Right? So now you've got new teams with new models coming that are trying the same thing with a different shine on it and a lot more money.

Mhmm. And so you have to pay attention to that. So if you're new and you're coming into the market as a solo agent, I think, absolutely, like I said, of my three things, one of them was coaching. Right? So mentorship's gotta be key.

And I think coming up with finding a person who is your kind of person. Like, I had lunch today with an agent, over at our brokerage, and he was asking he was telling me about all these coaches he had been a part of and four or five different coaching programs. And none of them are like him. I know these coaches, and I'm like, dude, that's not your kind of guy. Like Right.

Even, you know, even the coaching programs I've been a part of, there's some when you get to a point where you're like, I've learned a lot from this person, and I don't know that there's much left because we've reached to the fork where I'm a different guy than you. And I'm not gonna gonna change who I am, and you're not gonna change who you are. So thank you for everything we've learned, and let's keep this relationship going. But, I, you know, I I need something else. You know?

Like, I need next step. So I would say one of the most important parts about finding a mentor is finding your kind of person, someone who has a life that you want, you know, like, has a lifestyle you want, has a a family you want, a marriage you want, who does business in a way that really sticks out to you as being, congruent with your core values. So that takes a lot of self awareness. Like, who are you? Like, what do you want?

Like, what do you want your life to be like? Right. To find the guy who is like you or the gal who is like you, you've got to know who you are. And so I think that's the key. A lot of people miss that.

They just look for the most successful person Mhmm. Which, by the way, doesn't always line up with what looks like. Right?

Steve: Right.

John: We talk about all these big commission numbers. It's like, what are you really taking home, man? Like, you know, like I don't know. Day. What do you do with it when you get home?

Yeah. How's your you know, all that stuff. So I think the smoke and mirrors of the guys who are loudest on YouTube and have the biggest GCI numbers that very often, you know, I don't want that Yeah. Business or that life a lot of times. So being discerning in who you find.

And then the second piece is how are you gonna add value to this person's life? Right? Exactly. If you're coming asking for something Mhmm. You know, it would be a lot smarter to start by giving.

Like, how can I contribute to your life? You know? Like, with John, my mentor, when I started in real estate, the guy I was talking about, like, I mean, I, you know, did a good job for him. I was there helping. I took a job that was far below what I could earn in theory.

Yeah. And, you know, I did my best to really help him out, with his business. And I I got to learn a lot because of that. Yeah. Yeah.

Mentorship's a big deal.

Steve: Yeah. I'm very big fan of finding coaching. Yeah. But that's great, though. You kinda discern it's not just finding coaching.

It's finding the right Yeah.

John: And for the right season, you know? Yeah. There there are things that you'll for a season will be very helpful. Mhmm. And you'll you'll go, okay.

You got and that's true with all kind of stuff, with mentorships, with friendships, with team members, all that. It's like, okay. We got here together. Are we going to the next place together? Yeah.

Are we still on the same page here? And, you know, with different seasons, there's, different people for those seasons.

Steve: Right.

John: I think the other thing too is, like, to some degree, like, play within your play your, yeah, your skill set. Like, going if you're a rookie agent and never sold a single house, going to somebody who's selling hundreds of houses a year and, hey, would you be my mentor? Maybe that's a stretch, you know. Like, maybe you need someone who's gonna take you from 0 to a 100,000 in gross commissions. Like, maybe that's a better start.

Yeah. Not always, but it's something to consider for sure. You know?

Steve: Yeah. I remember when I first started, one of the first things I did was I went to go and interview not interview, but buy lunch Yeah. For all the top producers.

John: Right. Like, here

Steve: are the things I'm thinking. Who should I talk to?

John: Yeah. Totally.

Steve: That's actually how I got into Craig Proctor because I bought lunch with Russell Shaw.

John: I was like, look. Here's all

Steve: the coaching programs I'm looking at. Where should I go? He's like, that's a joke. That's a joke. Yeah.

Go to Craig Proctor.

John: Yeah. Totally. Yep. Absolutely. Like, hey.

How do I get from zero to a 100,000? You know, like, ask five great people that that question and, you know, I was thinking about this last night. The Proverbs talks about all the time. Seek wise counsel. Go in in the, you know, a counsel of many people.

There's this great wisdom that comes. And I am so bad at doing that. Like, just what do you if you have a big decision to make, go ask five people you respect. You know? Figure out what they did.

Watch a show like this. You know? Yeah. I think we underutilize that simple tool. You know?

Steve: Yeah. Okay. One, I'm gonna reach back to a meeting that we had in a different mastermind. Yeah. And before we start, full disclosure, negotiate commissions are fully negotiable.

There are no standards in industry. Right? Yes. So we've had I've heard in talking to some of the people, right, there's some major moves, some some disgruntled or concerns right right now in our industry. Yeah.

And in talking to some of the other agents, they're saying, you know, there's a lot of downward pressure on commissions.

John: Yeah. Yeah.

Steve: But you and I are a credit proctor, and we have the opposite problem. Like, the conversation is completely different. Yeah. Was that how you convey the value? So I heard you explain to our friend about you're just not articulating your value well.

So can you kinda explain to an agent that's having trouble charging their fee how you explain that?

John: Yeah. I think there's two two things, that are a critical part of starting any business if you're gonna go start being a realtor or you're just looking to go to the next level in your own business that you've got already got going. And step one is, creating value.

Steve: So

John: which the in real estate, tables like, showing people houses, listing their house, being a good negotiator, taking great pictures, that's like table stakes. Like, if you wanna play the game, you're up against, what, 40,000 how many realtors are there?

Steve: 40,000.

John: Yeah. 40,000 people? You gotta be good at the job just to even stand at the plate. Right? Yeah.

So don't tell me that you're you have really good customer service or you have professional photography. Right? Like, got it. You know? So what can you do that's next level that is truly creating value for customers?

Mhmm. And you have to be able to articulate that really well. So step one, create value. Step two, articulate it. Market it really well.

So I I think for us, what we've what I've really hung my hat on and my sort of mission vision, what we what we do at the Glutch Group is we are after we wanna humanize real estate. We wanna humanize the small business world. Yeah. And the best way I can explain that is by explaining the enemy. So and there's you all have examples of this.

Right? But, like, the enemy is I go to the doctor's office. This is a real story. I go to the doctor's office, and first time to the doctor, it's recommended by a friend.

Steve: Mhmm.

John: I go in. There's a billion people in the waiting room. I go in. I go to the front thing, and there's this glass thing, I guess, to protect them from all of us sick people. Right?

Fair enough. And they say, hey. How can I help you? And I'm like, yeah. My name is John, and I'm here for this appointment.

And they're like, okay. They look through the thing, whatever. Yeah. What are you here for? And I'm like, I'm here for the thing.

Remember when we talked for twenty minutes on the phone the other day and you asked me why I was coming in? That same thing, that's why I'm here. Like, nothing has changed in the last four days. Right? Yeah.

Okay. Got it. Sign me in. Great. I sit down.

In the lobby of the doctor's office is all these TV screens that are running ads for drugs. Right? Like and stuff that I don't have. Like, I don't need the ad for whatever, like, these random diseases people it it's scary and not fun to be there. I'm like, this sounds terrible.

Why am I here? I sit there for an hour, and I'm like, I go, hey. I I'm I gotta go. I got so I tell the lady I gotta go. And she's like, oh, okay.

No. No. What's we'll get this. So the doctor, sure enough, comes out, okay. Yeah.

Come on in. And they sit me in another waiting room for twenty minutes. He eventually comes in and goes, hey. And I saw I gotta leave. I told him again.

I'm leaving. And the so he comes in and says, hey. Can I refill your prescription before you leave? And I'm like, I've never been here. I don't have any prescriptions.

I was just so flabbergasted, and I just left. And I was like, that's that is exactly what we're not. That is the perfect example that's dehumanizing. Mhmm. You're treating people not like people.

I mean, you're treating them like It's

Steve: a conveyor belt.

John: Robots or animals or I don't know what, but not people. And I thought we are never we're gonna be the opposite of that. So, like, simple stuff. Like, at the Glutch Group, when you come into our office, we know you're coming. You have an appointment.

Right. We know why you're gonna be there. So and we can find you on Facebook. So we know what you look like. So when you walk in, we greet you by name.

We sit you in a beautiful lobby, the area or, conference room. Mhmm. We've got a menu of snacks and drinks for you to have when you get the you get to pick whatever you want. We've all the forms that we have are prefilled. We're not gonna make you write your name.

We know your name. You told us your name on the phone two days ago, so why would we start over? That is a picture of what we're trying to do in terms of creating value. So, yes, we we're good negotiators. We have all the numbers.

I mean, we are good, and that's important. But once you've met all the baseline standards for what people expect, you've gotta then create value. You've gotta hang your hat on something. Mhmm. And for us, that is the thing.

We want you to feel important. We want you to feel like you're the most important person on the planet. And so Mary Kay said, if you'll treat everyone you ever meet like they have a sign around their neck that says, make me feel important. You'll be successful at life and business. And that is one of our core mantras is treat people like they have a sign that says, make me feel important.

And what makes you feel important? The fancy Fiji water we have at the office, and we call you by name, and we don't ask you to fill out the form again. All of that makes you feel important. And so for us, that's the target. And now okay.

Great. So you're good at this. Right? So you've got a a way to deliver value. Now to your point about commissions, you've gotta learn to talk about it.

Steve: Mhmm.

John: So I can't sit in a in a meeting with someone, buyer meeting, and explain, hey. The reason we're worth our fee is because we're gonna make you feel important. Like, don't tell me about how you're gonna make me feel important. Make me feel important. So if by the time I sat down, I already feel important

Steve: Mhmm.

John: The battle is won. Like, we're there's nothing left to talk about. Like, we've clearly delivered this great message. Everything is top notch with us. I mean, the graphics, the email, you go through the you know, it's all excellence is one of our core values.

Everything's really excellent. So they already have that feeling and that emotion associated with it. It's like when you go to the b the BMW dealership versus the Mazda dealership, the feeling you have when you show up at a BMW dealership sells you before you even see a car.

Steve: Yeah.

John: Like, you're you're you're experiencing a luxury experience that queues you up for this is a different kind of deal. This is worth more.

Steve: It's a luxury experience.

John: And so, yes, we have a presentation where we clearly deliver our value and we reverse the risk. We We do all the stuff you're supposed to do. But I think much more important is just the way we make people feel, and that starts from the minute like, from the minute that you call us the first time or you input a web form, we've got your name and number. That syncs across office, knows your name because we have our system set up to do that. Mhmm.

So Lance, the guy who answers the phone most of the time, will answer by name. Like, hey, Mary. This is Lance. How are you doing today? She's like, well, she's only called once and doesn't know who Lance is, but we know her name.

So that stuff all really adds up. And being able to not only communicate that but feel it, just know you're worth it Mhmm. Is such a key to that deal. You know? Like, I know we're worth it.

I know we're great at this. And we have to keep telling our sales guys all the time that. You know? So, just because you believe you're worth it today, don't assume you're gonna feel the same way tomorrow. You need to keep selling yourself and your team on how valuable you are.

Steve: Right. So that's for the buyers. So for the sellers, how do

John: you So here's the here's the other thing I wanna be really honest about is we are in a seller's market right now. Mhmm. It's not hard to sell houses, so if they're priced right. You have to adjust to the market. So for us, do can we charge more than what, like, the quote, unquote market rate is?

Can we charge 7% for a listing? Yes. Is now in the marketplace a smart time to do that? I don't know. You've gotta adjust that with your team and with your personal philosophy.

But for me, it's pretty easy to sell houses right now, especially in the certain price points. So we're totally fine going, no. We're gonna charge market rate 6%, whatever you think that is, and we're gonna deliver value that is so far above and beyond what the average agent does. And we're really happy with our 6% because this the this the act of getting the house sold is easier than it was, you know, at some other point in history. Right?

Steve: Two, three years ago.

John: Yeah. So maybe we, take a little bit of a beating on the listing side. But on the buy side, that's freaking hard right now.

Steve: You want

John: a $200,000 house in Tempe?

Steve: Let me

John: tell you how hard that's gonna be. My guys are gonna work for that. Mhmm. So we're very happy to charge a little higher fee to the buyer Mhmm. Because we're gonna earn it.

You know? So I think, Russell said one time, like, I don't wanna build a system that charges less to jerks. You know? Like, hey. If you're gonna beat me up on fee, you get a lower fee.

Like, I don't like that model either. I always thought that was a great thing he said. So and and for us, we've just said, okay. Let's adjust with the market. Mhmm.

And price points. Right? Like, you're selling a million dollar house. Does it need to be the same percentage as the $200,000 house? You know?

All that. We're so I don't I think it's easy to stand on stage and say, we charge 7% and we're killing it and everyone should be like us. I don't I don't think it's quite that simple with most teams. You know?

Steve: Okay. Fair enough. So what would you say are your top three lead sources?

John: Repeat and referral business. And that's, again, because that's we've made that our bread and butter. Like, we have a full time employee dedicated to wowing and delighting and surprising our clients. You know, that is her job. And our wow coordinator, Michelle, she's fantastic.

We've got a big budget dedicated to that. We throw great events and send great newsletters and, you know, wow people on the all the stuff we do. So that's a that's our biggest source for sure. We have a lot of great reviews on Yelp, which is one of the ways I encourage my sales team and remind them, hey. We're good at this, is we just go read reviews.

You know? Like, every time we get a new review, I read it at a team meeting. Like, man, way to go. Like, that's incredible that you guys delivered a service like this that people are so proud to be a part of. So, Yelp's a big one for us because we're we'd have more views than anybody in Arizona.

And, the, and then we get a lot off of just our advertising, our listings. So advertising them on Zillow, advertising them you know, putting signs out, that kind of thing. So sign calls, Zillow leads on our our own listings. Right. Those are our top three main sorts for leads.

Steve: And then I think we probably wanna clarify, and we were kinda talking about this before we we were recording. Yeah. Like, Yelp is great if you've got a lot of reviews. Right. Yeah.

John: Don't go

Steve: out spending crazy amount of money. No. I've I

John: because people hear, oh, John's students are great on Yelp and all that, and they'll go spend money on advertising. That's not how it doesn't work that way. Like, it's it's a you cannot game Yelp. Like, there is no, you can game a lot of stuff. Like, there's a lot of review sites that are pretty easy to hoodwink, you know.

Like, you can get all your friends and uncles and whatever to do. It doesn't work that way on Yelp. It's they're smart, and their whole platform is built on trust. Like, if you can't trust that that review is real, they don't have a business. So Yeah.

They've really been smart about it, and everyone gets mad at Yelp because all their reviews get filtered. And there's reasons for that, but just it's a Yelp is a good thing for people to have a few good reviews on that are, like, legit reviews Mhmm. So that when people Google your name, they see you've got good reviews. That's what most people should do with Yelp. They should not spend money.

They shouldn't try to make it a core part of their business because it's very, very hard. And, it takes tons of time, and spending money on it is a mistake for most people. Yeah.

Steve: Very, very time intensive.

John: Yes. Yes.

Steve: Okay. So we were talking about the wow. Right? And I think in the enemy. Yes.

And there's a story you shared with me a while ago. I just think it's hysterical. So you were being presented on stage. Oh, yeah. We won't talk about which brokerage it was.

John: Yeah. Good.

Steve: But they call you and they say, mister Goldstrike. What how what was that story?

John: They I, brokered Jozat previously and, wonderful in many ways, you know, but a big brokerage. And I, had actually already decided to leave. I was going somewhere else. And, I won an award. I was the number two agent at the company.

And, In the country? State? State. In the state. But it is a lot of agents.

And Yes. This is a couple years ago. And, yeah, they called me to ask me how to pronounce my name, like, a day before the event. And I was like, man, you know, like, I just don't think we're on the same page. Like, I don't think we're, I don't think we're thinking the same stuff.

You know? Right. And that's maybe some of it's ego. I don't know. But I think part of it was, like, we're just not aligned.

You know? Like, our focus isn't the same thing. And listen. We're gonna have a movie night in, at the end of the month for my clients. Mhmm.

We'll have 300 people there. You know? Yeah. I don't know all those people. I don't even live in Arizona.

I live in California. So I'm not above, like, I get that you're not gonna know everybody's name. Right? But the top 20 people who contribute business to my company, I know their names. Like, I know where they live.

We're sending them gifts. We're calling them on their birthdays. You know, like Well,

Steve: you know Justin's name and Jeremy's name.

John: Yeah. Yeah. Right. People at your company. Yes.

Even probably a better example. Yeah. Yeah. It's like no. I think I think in in the brokerage world, it depends on what you wanna do.

I mean, if you just wanna go to the cheapest place in town Yeah. And hang your license, I mean, that's fine. There's a place for that. There's always gonna be a place for that. It's just not for me.

You

Steve: know? Yeah.

John: It's just not what we're up to. It wasn't my didn't line up with what we're trying to do.

Steve: Right. Yeah. So, one of the conversations you're always kind of, I think, the forefront of this is is how you structure your organization Yeah. As far as, you know, salaries, proper share, and so on. Can you talk a little bit about that?

John: Yeah. So we have, unique model in that not only our admin, like our transaction coordinators and WOW coordinator and the things like that. Not only those people are are salaried, which is very normal, but our sales guys have a salary too. And we've gone back and forth on this. It's been that way from the beginning where people, even the sales guys on my team get salaries.

And we've had different models, one where it was salary plus they got a percentage of how much the company made every month. So, yeah, you get your salary. And then if we sell a lot of houses, you get a cut of that because we want I wanted people to have upside. More importantly, I wanted let's say you're on the team and you didn't sell a house, but Justin did. I wanted you to make money and be happy about Justin selling a house Mhmm.

Because I wanted to incentivize teamwork. Right? So I wanted there to be this pool of money where everyone on the in the team, down to our virtual assistants in The Philippines and India, have some incentive for us to sell houses. And so there's this sort of pool of money that people, get a piece of. Right?

If I do well, everybody does well. And at the same time, what we learned is with salespeople, they're a unique breed of person Yeah. And sales is a unique job. It requires a lot of you answering the phone on nights and weekends. And we've even shot for the moon on we're gonna have weekends where you have two days off in a row and you don't have to answer your phone.

We got a system built that's gonna cover all your client calls while you're gone. And we just realized that that was not better for the customer. The customer did not want to call you and get your, like, teammate Mhmm. Because they don't know your teammate. They never met your teammate.

So, we figured out that's not gonna work. So we effectively have sales guys who are working seven days a week in some capacity. They're available at least seven days a week. And so we need to do it to incentivize them to sell houses. So we said, okay.

We're gonna keep the salary. We're gonna keep the profit share because that's doing that's helping. It's helping us keep people. They they can feed their kids even if they don't sell any houses, and they're incentivized to help out as a team. And at the same time, we want them to really win if they kill it this month.

Right. And for the guy who doesn't do so hot, we want that to hurt a little bit, you know, because it hurt it hurts me. It hurts the rest of the team. And so we said, okay. We're gonna back off everybody's salary Mhmm.

Certain amount of money, and then we're gonna say, okay. If you sell the minimum number of houses that we expect you to sell this month, you'll be back at even. And if you over if you do better, you'll you're actually gonna make more money. So that's a new thing. That's, like, in the last couple months.

Steve: It's a hybrid of some sort. Yeah.

John: It's a bit of a hybrid. And, you know, at first, everyone's like, I don't know about this. Whatever. What it's created though in general is a system where there's just less management. It's like, I don't really care when you're in the office.

You just sell the houses, you know.

Steve: Yeah. Either you

John: sell them or you don't sell. And they kinda like that. So they're sales guys. They don't really wanna be held till, like, you show up at the office at nine like a normal, you know, kind of employee would. Leave it five.

They they would rather have the flexibility. And so there's they're now starting to see some of the benefits of it. But it does put a little hitch in your giddy up. You know? I mean, it's like, I gotta go get something done here.

And, again, what I've learned this has been a really humbling year for me. Like, we've had to change some things that I've got on podcasts like this. And, hey, this is the greatest thing in the world. This is what we're doing because that's just the way I talk. Mhmm.

And I listened to it a year or two later. I'm like, that was a bad idea. Like, that was terrible, you know. So I'm just trying to, like, be more forthright about, like, we're just trying this stuff out.

Steve: Yeah.

John: And what's great is we're learning along the way. And I hope one of our core values is honor. So I really hope that our guys, our team feels very honored in the process. You know? Though the decisions I'm making affect them in dramatic ways like their pocketbook, I'm trying to do it in a way that's not, you know, that's honoring, that really cares for them as people Yeah.

More than I care for myself and my bottom line. You know? So that's our current model. We've got its kinda salary hybrid, and I think it's gonna work. Ask me in a year, and I'll know better.

But,

Steve: I'll probably ask you next month.

John: It's I'll I'll say this. It has I think it does a couple things. It creates a environment where teamwork is more incentivized and and it that really shows up. It creates an environment where we can genuinely sit across from a buyer, my sales guys can, and say, I am not a fully commissioned salesperson. I'm gonna feed my kids tomorrow whether you buy a house or not.

So I don't have the pressure to force you to buy, and we're gonna find you a house that you love. And you're not gonna feel and people really like that. They like that that's the case.

Steve: So you can make it out to your buyers.

John: Yeah. So that's a big part of our pitch. And it's unique. No I mean, I don't know anybody else that's doing it this way. So, I I think that that this model allows for that.

It allows us for to genuinely be able to say that in all truth while at the same time having an incentive for the sales guys to go out and sell houses. You know?

Steve: Okay. And what does your structure look like as far as, you know, how many agents you have? I mean, you had a killer year. You said this year has been a little more humbling. Yeah.

What how many agents do you have? What

John: We have, five sales guys. So, I mean, it's crazy when you think about how many houses we sell to have five sales guys. So we're a very efficient team, and we've got a really good admin staff behind them. So the sales guys are selling houses. That's all they do.

And, it allows them to be pretty efficient. We'll hit our I think we'll hit our numbers from last year this year, maybe a little more, on the top line. But what we realized was we we needed more accountability on the sales staff to make sure people were selling houses. And we also had just when things are good, it covers up problems. You know?

Like, you don't realize that conversion rate over there is terrible Mhmm. Because it didn't really matter. You're paying the bills and making money and Selling

Steve: a couple of houses.

John: Yeah. It's great. Who cares? But when things get tight, you're like, oh, gosh. Hey.

What's wrong? What's wrong? I'm sorry. Oh, that's wrong. It was always wrong.

So hard seasons, I think, are under underrated. You know? It's like, man, this is I'm really glad. And that's ancient wisdom. Right?

You read any any Bible story, any you know, I don't care what your religious preference is. There are some version of that parable of, like, when it's hard is when you learn the most. You know?

Steve: Yeah.

John: We do not learn much in success. We learn almost everything we learn in failure and in humiliation. That's when we really learn. Right?

Steve: Humiliation. Oh, dude.

John: That's I

Steve: remember that in the Bible.

John: The best teacher. Yes. Yeah. No. That's my version.

Right? It's like the every time I walk home with, like, my tail between my legs, I'm like, oh, there's something here for me. You know? Alright. Because it means it means that I I had tied my ego to something.

Mhmm. I tied my self worth to something that didn't deserve to have that authority. Right? So it's like, I'm just so humiliated by this thing or that thing. It's like, okay.

Wait a minute. The whole universe is spinning and all this is happening. It it's gonna be okay, you know. Like, you had a bad day. So it's been a great, great year in the sense that we're learning a lot of lessons, but hard in the sense that, again, I'm making decisions that affect people's lives in in painful ways sometimes.

But, you know, it's part of the responsibility being a leader. Part of the the yoke that you carry as a leader is, like, you're gonna make hard choices sometimes. Mhmm. And you're gonna realize that your mistakes cost other people.

Steve: Impact a lot of people. Yeah.

John: And that's it can be hard, you know, for sure. Yeah. But I think I really am. I truly am grateful for this year. I'm I'm learning so much more than I did last year.

Last year was really fun.

Steve: I mean,

John: man, it's good. Nothing went wrong. But it's this has been a really much more valuable year in that sense, for sure. Okay.

Steve: What do you attribute that to? I mean, the the challenging or the challenges that are popping up this year.

John: Well, the for us, our listing business is struggling because we are up against, like, some competitors probably that a lot of agents aren't because of our size and where we get our leads. And, so the iBuyers, the Open Doors, and, you know, they're they're out there making a dent. Not if you look at the whole market, they're not making much of a dent. Mhmm. But if your business is a certain kind of business like mine is, it affects you.

You know? So it's not uncommon. I'd say three, four listings a month Mhmm. Were getting beat out by Zillow or Opendoor or Offerpad because they bought the house. Yeah.

Steve: Wow.

John: So and part of that's because we have a guaranteed sale program. We'll buy we'll buy your house if it doesn't sell. So we get those leads because people want that. Mhmm. And so we're up against them more than probably most agents are.

But, yeah, that's that's making a difference for sure.

Steve: Well, I can tell you, I was doing research before, you know, we we met today. Yeah. And I don't know if you ever Googled yourself.

John: Oh, yeah.

Steve: But Open Door is an ad.

John: Oh, do they have one for yeah.

Steve: When you go with John Glush Yeah. Open doors and ad.

John: Yeah. That's not a surprise. I knew that was coming. It's just a matter of time, but I didn't I'm glad you told me that. But Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, they're smart marketers. You know? Right. Like, they're

Steve: Well, I look at their platform. Right? A lot of their what they say, it's the same thing we say in Craig Proctor. Yeah.

John: Totally. It just looks a little bit better.

Steve: Yeah. Right. Like, their packaging

John: Very similar. Looks a little

Steve: bit cleaner, than what we were able to do. Well, you know, they've got because

John: we actually have to make money.

Steve: We have to make money. You know?

John: And they've got

Steve: this marketing firm, right, that's that's backed by millions and millions where you and I are just doing what we can.

John: We're just trying to putts along here. You know? Yeah. No. It's true.

And they're smart marketers. And that's what I was saying about the flat fee stuff is we got some flat fee competitors out there who are smart marketers.

Steve: You know?

John: And there are certain people who that's a great solution for, Opendoor. No doubt about it. And it's clearly serving a need the marketplace has. Right. So I am from my perspective of I want the customer to be treated like a person, I'm really happy that those people are out there.

I think I'm a capitalist through and through in the sense that I love competition because it will cause everybody to get better. Mhmm. So I'm having to think through our model and go, where can I really deliver value? And there are certain people we meet with who are much better off going with Opendoor. Mhmm.

Like, their life situation does not serve them well to list their house and have people coming through the house and all this stuff. And they need a sure thing, and they need it now. And I may not be able to provide that. Sometimes we definitely can, but it's there's occasionally we can't. So I love that the competition's out there.

I'd I think it's I don't know their business model. Like, I don't know how long it lasts, how how it works in a declining market, all that stuff. I'm looking forward to it. Those are interest interesting things to see. Yeah.

But for now, it's clearly working. They now have competition from Zillow and Offerpad, which is great Mhmm. Because now consumers can go get three offers and Right. Pick the best one, which happens. We've seen that happen.

And that's all great. Right? Like, I'm into that. I like that the flat fee guys are coming with new, vigor because it's gonna make me get better. Yeah.

So if we're gonna stay a full service brokerage that charges a full service fee, we gotta earn it, man. Like Yeah. It doesn't work anymore just to list a house and call it a day. Right. Like, you've gotta really earn your keep, and that's awesome because it will vet out the people who are amateurs and who aren't really in this full time.

Steve: I didn't have this enthusiasm. When open door and Offerpad was kicking my butt because, it was interesting you said, like, your particular niche that you go against those guys more often. It's I have that same exact problem. Right? Is that we do a lot of, like, we'll buy your house.

Yep. And then we're walking in there. It's like, what do you mean they're offering you that much? Yeah. What?

That doesn't make any sense.

John: Yeah. I can't pay that.

Steve: Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess you go to take that offer. So Yeah. Great.

So, yeah, they definitely, have impacted us, but I did not take care about the same enthusiasm that you did.

John: And part of it honestly, I'm starting to think about switching our one of two things need to happen. Either we need to get behind that guarantee to a greater degree, meaning my team. Like, we need to be able to pay bigger bucks for these houses, or we need to switch our our marketing. Like, our message needs to change. And I don't know what we're gonna do yet, but we're we're thinking that through.

But, either way, I am very proud of the the experience that we deliver our customers and the results. I mean Yeah. Like, the this is all a marketing discussion. The the, value we're delivering to people, I'm thrilled with and it's getting better. I mean, we're doing some stuff right now.

We're working on some projects that are just gonna be killer. So I I think, for me, that will always be my passion. You know, it'll be what I'm excited about. At the same time, you have to be smart about your messaging. Like, you've gotta think about how you're gonna tell that story.

Steve: You know? Exactly.

John: That's important.

Steve: So you mentioned briefly earlier, you've been in California. So, you know, everyone was like, John's ridiculous. He's over in Coronado Island. Yeah. You know, that rat, whatever.

John: Yeah. It's rough, man.

Steve: I know. So you're barely scraping by

John: over there.

Steve: So talk about the challenges you have running a team from another

John: Yeah. So we moved to Coronado Island two years ago. My wife and I always dreamed of living in San Diego. She used to live in San Diego. So,

Steve: Oh, she did. Okay.

John: Yep. So we just were like, alright. We're doing it. And it was a process. We tried it for a month.

Okay. Let's figure out what's what what breaks when we're gone and Mhmm. Fix that. So it was a process of of slowly but surely kind of extending our time. And we just decided to do it.

Like, we're gonna try it.

Steve: We're gonna rent a house for

John: a year. Loved it. Ended up buying a place where we're there. You know, we'd we'd love it. The challenge what it will most it mostly made us better.

Mhmm. We got much better at running a virtual staff. Now we've got, I don't know, seven or eight people overseas now. I mean, we're we're really good at running a virtual team and good communication. A lot of that I owe to Darren Hardy's systems that are just fantastic.

And we, just got better at paying attention to the most important stuff. So in many ways, it just made us better. Also, all I can do is build a business. I can't go on listing appointments. I don't live in Arizona.

So that helps too. That's my pure focus is make this better for the customer, make it better for my team. The challenges are how you stay a leader when you don't live the in a place. Mhmm.

Steve: How do

John: you maintain leadership? And, I think I started really slow with that when we left and have gotten a lot better at it. So, like, okay. I stole Darren's idea. He has these videos he sends every day, darrendaily.com, and you can sign up for him for free.

And it's just a little five minute thing of how whatever his thought is for the day of how to make your life a little bit better. So I do that with my team now, like, little John Daly. So not the big golfer, but the Big,

Steve: big golfer.

John: Yeah. The big, big golfer.

Steve: Yeah.

John: But me, you know, he's a five minute bomb bomb video of me Mhmm. Thinking about stuff we're talking about today, talking about how we deliver value to our customers, telling someone they need to kill their job, talking about a new system we're implementing, whatever it is. And it's just a way to stay in front of them in a very scalable way.

Steve: Mhmm.

John: And so be maintaining leadership's a really tough challenge when you're away from your team. What has not been a challenge that I was surprised by was clients don't seem to care. They want what the result I've created, the the experience I've created is what they want, not me. You know? I mean, I think people like me fine, but they're that's not what they're hiring us for.

So that has not been as challenging as that. We lose I'm sure lose some people who would rather just work with me, but not many.

Steve: Right.

John: And I just miss it. You know? Like, I miss being around and being in the office with the team and stuff. So as much as it's great to be focused and just in an office by myself, you know, forty hours a week Mhmm. I mean, you get a lot done that way.

There's an element that's like, I miss being around

Steve: the team. You

John: know? Marjorie. Yeah. So we bought a house in Scottsdale, built an Airbnb that is killer, that we'll rent out when we're not here. But now we've got a great comfortable place for my family.

Mhmm. So we can be here, you know, a week a quarter and be with the team and be with our families and have a great comfortable place to stay. So we're we're we're learning what the rhythm looks like for our family to be comfortable and still be around and present for the team.

Steve: Yeah. So That's fascinating. The one of the things that I was having a recruiting meeting a couple of days ago, and they're like, why is stunning homes only in one location? Why are you not having multiple locations?

John: Yeah.

Steve: And I was telling them,

John: it's hard enough to keep the culture in one location. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. Try to have

Steve: it in, like, three, four, five locations. I don't even can't even fathom what that looks like. You got five amazing leaders Yep. In order to make that work.

John: It's it's tough. And I don't have all the answers on that. I know it's possible because, I mean, like Apple and Virgin, you look at these companies, like, how do they pull that off? And I don't know yet. But It's gonna have a Steve Jobs.

Yeah. I mean, it's and part of it is having really, really good leaders. You know? And they figured out a way to scale with culture. Right.

It's impressive, you know, and not easy.

Steve: So what you know, being away or running your business, what are some CRMs, tools, or systems that you just could not live without?

John: We we use Infusionsoft, but that's most people don't necessarily need that. But it's, I mean, it's a key part of our business. It's great. Most unless you're doing 100 plus deals a year, you probably don't need that robust of a system. What I do recommend though is Asana, a s a n a.

Mhmm. That's our platform everybody on the team uses for task management. So everyone's trying to make c r customer relationship management software. So I look at a CRM as a tool to, store and categorize all of your contacts, like, send emails, some of that stuff. None of them that I'm aware of are good at task management.

In other words, when you sit down, what are you supposed to do today? Mhmm. I don't know any that do that as well as I need it to be done, and Asana is killer. It's all it does. That is their pure function, and it's fantastic.

And it works digitally. It's web based. I mean, it's fantastic. So Yeah. We couldn't I mean, it's absolutely been a game changer.

And that's something I picked up when I went to Coronado because we needed a web based system. We didn't have one. So, that's really, really critical. We use RingCentral, and that allows all of our sales guys to have digital phone lines so that, if they need to be off, we can forward their line to somebody else. We focus on response time.

We have a program called time to reply, and every all the different departments have certain metrics they have to hit for how fast they respond to customers. So, like, email response time. We learned that people really care how quickly you get back to them. That's a big deal. So we have goals and metrics tied to that.

Time to reply is a mediocre system, but it's the best one I found for tracking how quickly my team is responding to emails. So we use that a bunch, and RingCentral is, to some degree, tied into that. We wanna make sure people are calling back clients quickly. So Right. That allows us to track that.

It allows us to forward phone lines and all that other stuff. If somebody leaves the team, we still have the phone number. We can just forward it to our main phone number. So if clients call, they're gonna get us, you know. Yeah.

So RingCentral's become really, really helpful and and pretty critical for us. Gmail, you know, we use Gmail suites and all that stuff. So, g Google Calendar, you know, the basics.

Steve: But Right. Yeah. What do you have any interesting war stories in real estate?

John: Yeah. I mean, I think, you know, we have the random deal like, kind of deal that didn't close because the guy went to jail, you know, the seller. Like, he didn't close on his house because he was in jail. We sold a house in, like, 2005 when it was just just on fire. We would House?

We made or

Steve: the industry.

John: No. The industry was everything was just crazy. And we we started selling houses because we're flipping them, where earnest money was hard day one released to us. Mhmm. And so we sold that house five times.

We made more money taking people's earnest money who couldn't close on the house than we made on the flip because people were just die dying to buy houses, and they couldn't actually qualify for the house. Yeah. So we had a that was an interesting one, you know. So we've had our I sold a house to two different people once. That was a mistake.

And, so I had two legit contracts with two different buyers for a house I owned. And we had to pay one guy a bunch of money to go away because Yeah. You know, no everyone wanted to close on the house because everyone was making money on houses. So it's amazing that they just let you go write contracts, you know, day one at a real estate school. Like, the stuff we wrote was just crazy.

We got

Steve: an amazing lobby.

John: Yeah. Real yes. We do. Thank god. So I, yeah.

We've had some funny ones for sure. But for the most part, we've we've gotten through mostly unscathed.

Steve: And what's your biggest struggle right now?

John: Listing business is down. I think that the biggest part is we're just competing against those iBuyers. That's the only that's the best excuse I have. I think the other part reason it's down, although the the market numbers don't vet this out, but meaning, there's just as many listings this year as there was last year. There isn't actually a listing shortage.

So, from my team's perspective, though, we're getting a lot of leads from people who don't end up selling. They go, wait another year and rent it out or whatever because the market's good. Mhmm. And I can't blame them.

Steve: So They're not super motivated.

John: Yeah. So we've created a really good long term follow-up system for, like, when that happens, how do we deliver value for a year, two years, three years till that person's ready to sell to where they will not forget about us? Mhmm. Our plan used to be, we'll call you in nine months. Mhmm.

You say you're gonna sell in a year. Right? We'll call you in nine months. That's a terrible plan because Right. A lot can happen in nine months.

So now we're doing all kind of stuff like setting up Google alerts to make sure if something changes on that house, we're aware of it. And we're sending comp packages, like, every couple months, like, really nicely done. Like, hey. Here's the latest info on your house just in case you needed to know. You know, stuff that really delivers value to people.

Again, it's about value creation. Right? So the the idea is, hopefully,

Steve: nine months down

John: the road when that guy's, you know, neighbor who's a realtor goes, oh, what's your house? He's, oh, no. These guys over here, they've been they've been Taking

Steve: care of me.

John: Taking care of us. Yeah. So, we've really created a brand new system for that that's killer, I think. And, you know, we'll see. Again, I have to have all these ideas I think are great, but,

Steve: you

John: know, I'll know in a year. But I think

Steve: Sounds great.

John: Yeah. I think it's gonna be much better than what we were doing,

Steve: for sure.

John: So that's our biggest problem is just getting listings right now is is challenging.

Steve: And what would you consider to be your superpower?

John: I I think the way that our team is our superpower. I mean, we have people who are so good, and they are so good at making people feel special and caring about people. We have three core values, honor, hope, and excellence. And honor is, for us, the way we define honor is how do we treat you when things go bad, like, when things go sideways. Right?

So other realtors in transactions sometimes don't treat us very well. They don't treat our clients very well. They, did fly off the handle. They curse us. All this other stuff.

How do we treat you when that happens? Now, I'm not saying there's no boundaries. Like, there's things you can do and say to people on my team that get you kicked out of the sandbox.

Steve: Right?

John: Like, we are no longer talking to you. Right. But that's not it rarely gets there. So most of the time, it's how do we really care for people when things are hard and then just empathy. Right?

Like, how do we empathize with people when our clients when it's hard, when it's a bad day, when you miss out on the house you really wanted, when we fought like crazy to get it and we couldn't. You know? Our guys are really good negotiators. We pull stuff out of the hat you wouldn't believe. That being said, it doesn't always work out.

You know? And we can't control everything. And so when it goes sideways, how good are we at caring for people? And that's a big deal. I mean, that really adds up.

That's where you get customers for life. You know? They never leave you.

Steve: So talk about hope. So we talked about honor, and we talked about excellence earlier. Yeah. So hope. So hope

John: for me is the belief that things are getting better and that I'm a part of that equation. Mhmm. So, Lord's Prayer. Right? Probably most famous prayer ever.

So, on earth as it is in heaven. That's one of our little mantras as a team. And and not to get too religious, but the idea is we want it to be like heaven on earth. Right? Right.

Like, who doesn't want that? But there are people who even religious dogma, that is, oh, it's getting worse. Mhmm. Like, we're just sort of wait hell it's going to hell in a handbasket. Right?

There are people who that is their life philosophy. Lots of people. And mine is ours is the opposite. We only hire people who think it's getting better every day Mhmm. Who go and that we have a role in that.

So for us, it's not only should business get better, not only should we humanize small business, but it's gonna happen with or without us, and we wanna be a part

Steve: of it.

John: So we have this overriding belief that we can make our company serve people in a better way today. Serve our team. It starts with my team. Right? Like, the way I prioritize things is my team is more important than our customers, for sure.

So if if my team is loved and cared for, that will pour out

Steve: Mhmm.

John: Into my, our customers. And so, that is hope for us, is that there is always hope for a better tomorrow. No matter how bad it got an hour ago Yeah. It's getting better, and you're a part of that story. It matters that you show up today and do your job.

Steve: So one question. This is Brandon Knowles who wants to know, how do you balance scaling a company to your size while maintaining work life balance?

John: That's my I would say it from a personal perspective, that's maybe my core competency is, you know, I live in on an island and spend a lot of time with my family.

Steve: And, you

John: know, like, I I, have built a business that is you have to start from the beginning. Right? Like, what kind of life do I want and build your business to support that? So I love our our clients. I love, selling houses.

All that was great, but it wasn't I like building businesses more than I like that stuff. Mhmm. So for me, it was like, how do I get to a point where I can be detached from all of that, where I'm not taking client calls? You know, I'm I'm focusing on my team, and then they're focusing on our our customers. Like, Steve Jobs, right, wasn't outselling iPhones.

That doesn't make him any less, doesn't mean he cares any less about his customer. I would say he was obsessed with the customer experience.

Steve: Customer experience. Yeah.

John: So, where does his value most create, a great experience for the customer? And it wasn't selling iPhones at the iStore or Apple Store. Right? So same for me. I think what where I can scale my particular skill set in, the gifts I have is by really taking care of my team.

So you just have to start with it in the beginning, and then I think the second thing is create systems that support it. So I've got really great systems around. Like, when I'm off, I have people covering all my phones and emails and all that stuff, and I can totally be off. Right. And then prioritizing it, like, this year this is, like, two weeks ago.

I was, like, I'm taking I only have three yearly goals. Right? And one was to to increase the intimacy with my in my marriage. One was to increase my own sort of sense of emotional and and psychological health just to become a healthier person, and the other one was an income goal. And I went, I'm taking the income goal off because I was thinking about it all the time.

I was thinking about, like, are we gonna hit our goal and whatever. And it you have to pay attention to the numbers. And I'm not saying this is for everybody. And it's not even for every season. But I felt like for this season of my life, it was a mistake to have any kind of income goals.

Like, I just needed to make my life be about connecting with God, connecting with my wife, and being as whole as I could be as a person Mhmm. And letting that flow out into my team, letting it flow out into the customers we work with, my friends, family. So, part of it is just paying attention. You know? Yeah.

So, like, Darren has this thing called the best year ever, and it's a really, like, $100 program. And it's like, what what do you wanna do this year and what what are the 10 behaviors that will get you there? Mhmm. So I every day, I check off in my best year ever checklist the 10 behaviors. And the 10 behaviors aren't sales calls.

They are, you know, be affectionate with my wife three times a day. You know, like, these really goober, like, nerd things. Right? But it won't happen if I don't try.

Steve: Exactly.

John: And okay. When I'm home, am I really paying attention to the kids, or am I just kinda watching TV or taking phone calls or zoning out or whatever? So that, it just I really, really try hard. So it's a lot of people pay lip service to this whole thing of work life balance. And for me, it's, it's life.

It's blood. You know, if I build some business that is huge and I burn my marriage down to do that, I've totally failed. You know?

Steve: And I think it's all powerful. Right? Everything that you said. Yeah. And I think one thing you kinda glossed over, like, it's just a given Yeah.

For us. Right. But, I when I went through Insane Productivity, one of the, slides, whatever, he drew a circle. Right? And he's like, every entrepreneur, this is your business.

Yeah. You know, life kinda happens around it. Yeah. Right? And he's like, you're doing it wrong.

Right. Totally. Yep. Here's your life, and here's your business.

John: You're here to live. Right. Yeah. So Totally. And I think too, recognizing as a team leader, you gotta find some place in your mind to file the fact that people on your team are gonna have different lives than you.

Mhmm. Like, not everyone wants what I want. Like, not everyone wants to go and live on Coronado Island. You know, it sounds cool, but that's if people wanted to do that, I think they would. You know, I I think, realizing that my job is to follow my own path in life and pursue my dreams and ambitions, the things that I have laid out before me that I'm supposed to do, and help other people do the same thing.

You know? Yeah. And, I wanna provide an environment where at The Glitch Group where people love their jobs, they love the community, they love to serve their clients. And that's that's great. Everyone's got different paths.

You know? People love different things. And, reconciling that in your mind and not feeling guilty for the fact that there are people helping you and your great ambition Mhmm. Like, they get to be a part of something really big and special. And so do I.

And we're better together. Like, we would be this wouldn't be as cool if it was just me. Exactly.

Steve: Or if

John: it was just them. You know? So it's you just have to find a mind space for that.

Steve: What is your favorite best or most interesting failure?

John: I mean, my my best failure was losing all the those houses. And I think the most painful part about it was that it lost my family's money, which Sound

Steve: like your parents,

John: your siblings? Your parents' money. Yeah. So you still like, that still, to some degree, sucks today. You know?

Yeah. And I've told my parents many times, and this is the God's honest truth, that is the best investment they've ever made was that money. Yeah. Right? Now it may not feel like that today because they can't use it to go on a cruise.

Right? But they still managed to get out on some cruises. God bless them. You know? And they're doing fine and they're taken care of.

But it showed so much to me that they were willing to trust me Mhmm. And to take the risk. And maybe more even than failing and learning from the failure, there's something in your subconscious mind that goes, they believe in me. You know? Like, it caught you know what you believe in when it costs you something.

Yeah. Like, your core values, I don't care what you say. Show me what cost you today. Mhmm. When did when was it expensive for you?

Then you know. So my parents, it was very costly for them to demonstrate how much they believed in me, but I think that just I don't know that at a conscious level, I was like, oh, they really believed in me. You know? But I think at a subconscious level, then and forevermore, I'll I'll have that lesson which will benefit my kids and my team. You go down the list.

Right? I mean, that that that decision, which was very costly for them, benefits probably hundreds of people, you know. So that that's probably my favorite one, because I think it was just so valuable, you know. It really meant a lot to me. Awesome.

Steve: Well, I think this has been really insightful and really helpful. You had mentioned before that you had an event coming up. Can you talk about that?

John: Yeah. Thanks for asking. So I am sharing we have an event next Monday, and Tony Giordano is is speaking. He's the headliner for it. He's like a social media guru, like, realtor to the stars guy, and he's great.

He does a great presentation. He's speaking, for most of the day, and then I have an hour and a half long lunch breakout where I'm gonna talk really specifically about building a wow business and how we've done that. And so that's kinda repeat and referral business, how to scale, how do you scale the Brian Buffini system, kind of, is it. Right? In plus one.

So that's what I'm gonna talk about. And if you wanna go to that, it's next Monday. It's all day. And the best way to let us know you wanna come would be to email, ashley, ashley,@glitchgroup.com. And Glutch Group is spelled g l u c h g r o u p dot com.

No t in Glutch, g l u c h g r o u p. So ashley@glutchgroup.com. And we can put a link in the Facebook deal

Steve: for that.

John: But they could just, email her and just say, hey. I'd like to come because we need to know, like, I think by noon tomorrow because it's free food. Ago. Yeah. Well yeah.

But we got a I got an extension.

Steve: Okay.

John: And the breakout is only for the brokerage I'm at, but I got permission to, have some, for anybody I who I told about on the show, they could come too. So just be sure to email Ashley by, like, noon tomorrow at the latest. Let us know. You can come. It'll be a great event and free food.

It's a really nice hotel to the Palomar. It's gonna be great.

Steve: And I think that what you're gonna be talking about in that breakout is more in-depth. I mean, we only talked to him about it for, like, ten, fifteen minutes.

John: Yeah. This is

Steve: like your well program.

John: Yes. This is high level. I'm gonna be, like, slides with pictures of here's how we do our buyer meetings. Here's how we, send client gifts to people when they come in. Like, a lot of the a lot of the really specific tactical things.

And it's meant to be for the person who's selling one house a year all the way up to big teams. I mean, it it will work the way I'm presenting it for anybody.

Steve: Right. And I've seen you speak it present it before. Yeah. So, I mean, it's if anyone has opportunity, you guys should definitely go check it out.

John: Thanks, man. Thanks for letting me share about it.

Steve: Should be good. And then, like, for tomorrow, we have, the monthly meetup, the real estate disruptors. We got Carlos and Sal from National Cash Offer. So McPhate Brewing Company at 04:30PM. We haven't RSVP'd yet.

Please let me know. The guys that are they're doing thirty, forty, 50 wholesales a month are the ones that are gonna be doing the q and a. So definitely come check it out. And again, if you like this show, please share this episode right now. Let people know about it.

And, John, thank you very much. Yeah.

John: Thanks, man. It was really Good to see you.

Steve: Awesome. Really helpful.

John: Yeah. Hope it helped. Thanks, man.

Steve: Thank you.